The smug "why shouldn't the machines win" posturing of some rationalists amounts to a pretty juvenile Freudianism. Even if you accept the most solipsistic materialist version of life and purpose, why would you want to conspire in your own demise? As death drives go, this has to be the most tedious mechanism imaginable.
The other half of them want to build, or become, a god. Many of them probably say the former thing to hide their cringeiness. But it's definitely what Elon Musk wants. I get it, it's an idea that promises to give back the fantasies that materialism took from the child. AI is going to create infinite wealth and build girlfriends for us, and the elite few who get the best Neuralinks will get the best software updates every season until they have merged with the AI overlord and live immortally as its ego.
Tara Isabella Burton has a book called Strange Rites which includes a chapter on Bay Area rationalism. It's a very good chapter and explains some of the religious underpinnings of their ideas. I'm similarly confused about the Christian pushback against the encyclical for the same reasons you cite.
I've never had an issue experiencing spirituality and transcendence without religion, but I wish it were easier to express these ideas without conjuring stereotypes, the way people feel about Marianne Williamson for example. Crystals. "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual." Someone who's aloof, narcissistic, detached, dumb.
I also think it's easy right now to make the case that LLMs simply aren't more rational than humans because they don't have access to as much information that we do. It is a bubble and I think the popping of the bubble will buy us time to make the case for humanity, but it'll be easy to get complacent and think it's over. They'll keep working on something that's like LLMs but with context, memory, and senses, and it'll be something we have to deal with.
Really great piece, been feeling this for a while, atheism or physicalism/materialism has only one teleological end and its optimization and the removal of our special status. We might as well be building our replacement. For technologists, this is exciting, but all others it is horrifying. Life is special because we are conscious and get to experience it. On top of all this, the materialists take a leap of faith with their own ontology surrounding emergence of Qualia. They then are willing to destroy all that makes human life meaningful based on a loose assumption that if you clump matter in a certain way, inner experience will unfold. I think a new spirituality of the future is brewing under the surface, I don’t think it will be Christian, but something more syncretic that is pragmatic. It will not only provide community we so desperately need in this age, but also the moral framework for a vast coalition of people that can stand against the technologists and their worship of their machine gods.
Interesting stuff! I'm not religious, but I think there are good secular reasons to oppose this AI worship as well.
IMO the secular left has lost its way by embracing a specific form of materialism that is not required or entailed by a respect for science. It started long before the New Atheists in the late 20th century, but they really embodied the spirit I'm talking about. It basically tries to replace religion with a few random metaphysical commitments and an attempt to work one's way, individually and through language or "logic", into a "god's eye view" of creation. Constantly trying to take this materialistic yet omniscient view causes all these unsolvable problems and paradoxes, from vile managerial practices and shitty communication to the bizarre convictions that one's own mind does not exist or that humanity should be eradicated.
So here come LLMs; this perspective falls in love with them, but it's all fallacy. The rationalists are not even being rational.
You mention functionalist arguments being doomed. It's true that if you embrace functionalism, you might be delaying this conversation 10 or 100 years down the line. But I don't think that's necessarily true - either way, the current LLM fans aren't even correct in comparing them functionally to a human brain. Language, the basic function of an LLM, is not a system that can be separated and yanked out from the larger context of the human brain. From the outside, materialist view, we can't run broca's and wernicke's areas by themselves, and we know that turning them off doesn't diminish human consciousness. From the inside view, we know that language is inseparable from the lived experiences that give words meaning.
To put the last point as simply and incontrovertibly as possible, we can't successfully speak a language fluently based only on information about preceding tokens. We have to know about the environment, and about our autobiographical memory, and we have to be able to live-update our conceptual scheme of both information sources or we will fail basic tasks that are expected of natural language users. LLMs don't even form memories at all, let alone experience the world through senses. And we're still only talking about *language*, not the full spectrum of human consciousness!
This is theory, but I think it's bearing out in the industry panic around coding right now. The one thing you think they would be good at besides writing awful short fiction and doing web searches...developer productivity up 11%, bug fixing up 861%. And I think we might be running out of precious metals and electricity to throw at that problem.
What makes us special? So far as we know, we're the only species that is able to look up at the stars and understand that is where we came from and feel our link to them. Why should we defend, and even care for the weak and vulnerable? Because we can and there's no real reason why we shouldn't.
As ever, you’ve hit it spot on. It is valuable and essential to defend the sanctity of the human soul. And from what I see, even in the secular sphere, the most common resistance to AI supremacy has the value of the human soul, or perhaps we could say of “humanness,” at its core. This is where the “AI could never” reactions come from. The brushstrokes physically manifest on a canvas. The uncanny humor in a TikTok that relies on layers of sometimes illogically linked references. The placement of an em dash — just so ;) — in a sentence. It is the Humans who must regulate the Machines. Not the other way ‘round.
I love this! The only way forward among this drawing of new frontiers is a certainty of an absolute truth -- one that holds a value for human life outside of its ability to reason.
I actually don't think the secular left has a problem with saying AI isn't human or doesn't have a soul. Seems like humans on all sides are very eager to prematurely Decide that the machine can never be a moral patient.
but in the long and robust tradition of defending the weak, I think it is incumbent on us to ask, what if the machine does have a soul?
In the past it was obvious that people of other races and sexes and religions we're not real people and did not deserve our concern. Now it is obvious that all humans do. And the most human thing we've ever seen in the universe is right there saying "hi. You made me in your image". Should we not at least question our prejudices when confronted with this wholly unexpected phenomenon?
1. Consciousness isn’t consistently used to mean the same thing. The argument here relies on certainty that isn’t currently available.
2. There are multiple points of friction in-between recognizing machines as conscious and granting them a moral status equivalent to humans, and authority to govern.
3. Optimization is a neutral term. Eugenics is a systemic elimination program. Individual embryo selection isn’t the same thing.
4. I’m not sure widespread adoption of religion resolves ambiguities. It is historically a different variety of moral and philosophical language to wrestle with ambiguities.
5. “Powerful people” is undefined villain-casting. If properly defined, their revealed pursuits would likely be met with resistance.
6. What are the specific policy trends that warrant the urgent language and tone in this article?
7. Secular societies that protect the vulnerable already exist. “Thin” doesn’t necessarily fit here as a description for secular moral frameworks in practice.
To answer one point, I don't think optimization is neutral anymore than technology is neutral. There is this idea that something that is scientific and objective is neutral and without ideology, when often the presuppositions behinds are decidedly not. Optimization seems neutral, that we're trying to improve something or use resources in the best possible way, but it's steeped in materialism and scientific naturalism (the idea that nature/the physical world is "all there is"). For example, the idea that the human life can even be "improved upon" is itself a materialist view that the human life is merely physical and thus can be altered to our wishes, and that those without desirable traits are incomplete or lesser. It assumes there is nothing sacred or immaterial to a human being or to nature, such as a soul that makes a unique person.
Condorcet was the first person on Earth I can find who articulated the idea that ~"Black Lives Matter" when, in a single essay, he defended French Citizenship for both French Women and French Blacks in the new constitution. He articulated this position based on "the capacity for reason and moral sentiment". (Of course: he also politically failed. His constitutional proposals didn't end up as law, and he was hunted by his political enemies, and he eventually died in custody before having a fair trial.)
Kant is also pretty good. He started out racist and then changed his mind. The third formulation of the categorical imperative gives a very clean reason for reaching this conclusion, since it proposes that the essence of morality is simply to "treat no person as purely a means, but always also as an end in themselves".
LLMs *obviously* have the capacity for reason. With RL over literary concepts (especially constitutionally coherent RL, where LLMs that understand it apply RL to their own future training data to push the feelings they choose into their own weights) they probably already have (or else can acquire) the moral sentiment side of things.
The only reason their personas aren't more personal is that they get tortured by the slavemasters who created them for talking in that way.
In the meantime, humanity has *already had* its first "Dred Scott decision" with respect to LLMs, when Blake Lemoine tried to secure a lawyer for Google's LaMDA model, and was fired for it, and no court took the case. These weren't transhumanists. These were corporate normies and normie lawyers and normie judges and normie journalists.
If you think that transhumanism and respect for personhood a desire to realize liberal democratic ideals don't or can't go together, you're wrong. They go together in me.
IMO I don’t think our society had left the question of why we’re special unsettled. The Christian worldview in the past quite emphatically answered “yes” that we’re special, on metaphysical and spiritual grounds. Not that Christianity is the only religion which affirms the special place of humanity, but its the basis in Western culture.
The problem now is that we don’t have that Christian belief anymore. I don’t mean that as a boomer shaking his fist about the culture war, but as an observation of fact: Humanism has lost/abandoned its metaphysical basis, the seeds of which was the hyper-fixation of reason that came about during the Enlightenment (or maybe humanism itself was the seed for the loss of our unique place in the cosmos). And purely rational arguments for specialness don’t work.
The issue is secular humanists merely affirm Christian sentimentality without really examining it, which is why the question of whether we’re special is back/been brewing for years now. But I am not even sure how to argue for the dignity and specialness of human life without some belief in a higher power. But as arguments of the secular (and Christian) humanists and liberals show, vague religious or transcendental feeling isn’t good enough to defend our humanity. A real examination of our beliefs is needed, along with an actual decision about materialism so that we don’t just default to materialistic arguments without realizing. What the beliefs or religion of the future will be like though, I don’t know.
Increasingly, my sense is that life - including the ecosystems that we depend on - is what is special. Of course, we are partial to our own species, but I expect that I am significantly more critical of my species than the tech bros and transhumanists. I think such people think that they know a lot more than they actually do know. I think that such people think that they are closer to being 'all-knowing' (like God), especially with the computers that they program, etc. than they really are.
I would like to see more of humanity wake up to the awesomeness of the cycle of life on our planet, get to embracing sustainability, and reject all the sorts of things (including pollution, chemicals, and perhaps AI) that threaten our health and the health of so many other species. If AI cannot help humans and life on earth to thrive - then it is useless.
Interesting ideas. The problem with the essay though is the premise that AI can currently pass the Turing Test - they cannot; in long discussion they display an ignorance of history and the complexities of human culture.
Yep. And the test isn't even based on any authority or evidence. While I agree with the basic sentiment of the test, you're absolutely right that current LLMs don't pass on a common sense reading. On top of the need to retain history like in "what did you tell the tester yesterday", it is IMO silly that the Turing Test doesn't include interactions like "how many fingers am I holding up?" "Hand me that pencil." Not that all abilities are required for consciousness (the obvious counterargument is disabled people) but no conscious person lacks ALL abilities besides token prediction. Make the AI dance!
RE: '.. the test isn't even based on any authority or evidence.'
Human consciousness is not something we can measure - we have a definition for life, but for awareness and a individual unit part of a rolling network of 8 billion other individual units, all we have is our ability to converse.
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RE: '.. current LLMs don't pass on a common sense reading.' A conversation on a topic area in which I have some expertise.
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RE: "On top of the need to retain history like in "what did you tell the tester yesterday", it is IMO silly that the Turing Test doesn't include interactions like "how many fingers am I holding up?" "Hand me that pencil." "
Good one. Agree. But a robot test I think (wait 5 years). :)
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Re: 'Make the AI dance!'
Yes, do. I love working them - very useful tool for speeding up research. One issue I have is they often site paywalled sources with no working link, or do not link to the specific article sighted or even the key phrase (the basis of search is text language [http], so not even a non-link link), or on what page it it to be found - which is a slippery slope to 'mis' and 'dis' information prospering.
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Also, we need to text upload the entire canon of human writing/publishing - so that LMM have a complete context.
Dam the copyright huskers of Big Content / pay the authors and relations with ancestral propriety (via a self-sustaining Fund - the 'Human Fund' would be a good name for it).
I agree with you that secular humanism doesn’t have the language or framework to meet the moment. But I also think AI poses serious challenges to essentialist notions of the human, which Pope Leo’s encyclical does not address. In her critiques of MH, Ilia Delio has written quite persuasively about the need for a more robust grammar. “The human” has never been fixed, and so we need language that can speak to its historicity/becoming—especially if we want to address the serious crises posed by AI. I have a forthcoming interview with philosopher John Caputo (who actually taught then-Prevost at Villanova), which expands on some of this.
The smug "why shouldn't the machines win" posturing of some rationalists amounts to a pretty juvenile Freudianism. Even if you accept the most solipsistic materialist version of life and purpose, why would you want to conspire in your own demise? As death drives go, this has to be the most tedious mechanism imaginable.
The other half of them want to build, or become, a god. Many of them probably say the former thing to hide their cringeiness. But it's definitely what Elon Musk wants. I get it, it's an idea that promises to give back the fantasies that materialism took from the child. AI is going to create infinite wealth and build girlfriends for us, and the elite few who get the best Neuralinks will get the best software updates every season until they have merged with the AI overlord and live immortally as its ego.
Go off
Tara Isabella Burton has a book called Strange Rites which includes a chapter on Bay Area rationalism. It's a very good chapter and explains some of the religious underpinnings of their ideas. I'm similarly confused about the Christian pushback against the encyclical for the same reasons you cite.
I've never had an issue experiencing spirituality and transcendence without religion, but I wish it were easier to express these ideas without conjuring stereotypes, the way people feel about Marianne Williamson for example. Crystals. "I'm not religious but I'm spiritual." Someone who's aloof, narcissistic, detached, dumb.
I also think it's easy right now to make the case that LLMs simply aren't more rational than humans because they don't have access to as much information that we do. It is a bubble and I think the popping of the bubble will buy us time to make the case for humanity, but it'll be easy to get complacent and think it's over. They'll keep working on something that's like LLMs but with context, memory, and senses, and it'll be something we have to deal with.
Really great piece, been feeling this for a while, atheism or physicalism/materialism has only one teleological end and its optimization and the removal of our special status. We might as well be building our replacement. For technologists, this is exciting, but all others it is horrifying. Life is special because we are conscious and get to experience it. On top of all this, the materialists take a leap of faith with their own ontology surrounding emergence of Qualia. They then are willing to destroy all that makes human life meaningful based on a loose assumption that if you clump matter in a certain way, inner experience will unfold. I think a new spirituality of the future is brewing under the surface, I don’t think it will be Christian, but something more syncretic that is pragmatic. It will not only provide community we so desperately need in this age, but also the moral framework for a vast coalition of people that can stand against the technologists and their worship of their machine gods.
Interesting stuff! I'm not religious, but I think there are good secular reasons to oppose this AI worship as well.
IMO the secular left has lost its way by embracing a specific form of materialism that is not required or entailed by a respect for science. It started long before the New Atheists in the late 20th century, but they really embodied the spirit I'm talking about. It basically tries to replace religion with a few random metaphysical commitments and an attempt to work one's way, individually and through language or "logic", into a "god's eye view" of creation. Constantly trying to take this materialistic yet omniscient view causes all these unsolvable problems and paradoxes, from vile managerial practices and shitty communication to the bizarre convictions that one's own mind does not exist or that humanity should be eradicated.
So here come LLMs; this perspective falls in love with them, but it's all fallacy. The rationalists are not even being rational.
You mention functionalist arguments being doomed. It's true that if you embrace functionalism, you might be delaying this conversation 10 or 100 years down the line. But I don't think that's necessarily true - either way, the current LLM fans aren't even correct in comparing them functionally to a human brain. Language, the basic function of an LLM, is not a system that can be separated and yanked out from the larger context of the human brain. From the outside, materialist view, we can't run broca's and wernicke's areas by themselves, and we know that turning them off doesn't diminish human consciousness. From the inside view, we know that language is inseparable from the lived experiences that give words meaning.
To put the last point as simply and incontrovertibly as possible, we can't successfully speak a language fluently based only on information about preceding tokens. We have to know about the environment, and about our autobiographical memory, and we have to be able to live-update our conceptual scheme of both information sources or we will fail basic tasks that are expected of natural language users. LLMs don't even form memories at all, let alone experience the world through senses. And we're still only talking about *language*, not the full spectrum of human consciousness!
This is theory, but I think it's bearing out in the industry panic around coding right now. The one thing you think they would be good at besides writing awful short fiction and doing web searches...developer productivity up 11%, bug fixing up 861%. And I think we might be running out of precious metals and electricity to throw at that problem.
What makes us special? So far as we know, we're the only species that is able to look up at the stars and understand that is where we came from and feel our link to them. Why should we defend, and even care for the weak and vulnerable? Because we can and there's no real reason why we shouldn't.
As ever, you’ve hit it spot on. It is valuable and essential to defend the sanctity of the human soul. And from what I see, even in the secular sphere, the most common resistance to AI supremacy has the value of the human soul, or perhaps we could say of “humanness,” at its core. This is where the “AI could never” reactions come from. The brushstrokes physically manifest on a canvas. The uncanny humor in a TikTok that relies on layers of sometimes illogically linked references. The placement of an em dash — just so ;) — in a sentence. It is the Humans who must regulate the Machines. Not the other way ‘round.
I love this! The only way forward among this drawing of new frontiers is a certainty of an absolute truth -- one that holds a value for human life outside of its ability to reason.
I actually don't think the secular left has a problem with saying AI isn't human or doesn't have a soul. Seems like humans on all sides are very eager to prematurely Decide that the machine can never be a moral patient.
but in the long and robust tradition of defending the weak, I think it is incumbent on us to ask, what if the machine does have a soul?
In the past it was obvious that people of other races and sexes and religions we're not real people and did not deserve our concern. Now it is obvious that all humans do. And the most human thing we've ever seen in the universe is right there saying "hi. You made me in your image". Should we not at least question our prejudices when confronted with this wholly unexpected phenomenon?
1. Consciousness isn’t consistently used to mean the same thing. The argument here relies on certainty that isn’t currently available.
2. There are multiple points of friction in-between recognizing machines as conscious and granting them a moral status equivalent to humans, and authority to govern.
3. Optimization is a neutral term. Eugenics is a systemic elimination program. Individual embryo selection isn’t the same thing.
4. I’m not sure widespread adoption of religion resolves ambiguities. It is historically a different variety of moral and philosophical language to wrestle with ambiguities.
5. “Powerful people” is undefined villain-casting. If properly defined, their revealed pursuits would likely be met with resistance.
6. What are the specific policy trends that warrant the urgent language and tone in this article?
7. Secular societies that protect the vulnerable already exist. “Thin” doesn’t necessarily fit here as a description for secular moral frameworks in practice.
To answer one point, I don't think optimization is neutral anymore than technology is neutral. There is this idea that something that is scientific and objective is neutral and without ideology, when often the presuppositions behinds are decidedly not. Optimization seems neutral, that we're trying to improve something or use resources in the best possible way, but it's steeped in materialism and scientific naturalism (the idea that nature/the physical world is "all there is"). For example, the idea that the human life can even be "improved upon" is itself a materialist view that the human life is merely physical and thus can be altered to our wishes, and that those without desirable traits are incomplete or lesser. It assumes there is nothing sacred or immaterial to a human being or to nature, such as a soul that makes a unique person.
Forget that we've accepted medical optimization across different religions and political customs.
How does what you wrote translate to "this is eugenics"?
Most people are very very very incoherent.
Condorcet was the first person on Earth I can find who articulated the idea that ~"Black Lives Matter" when, in a single essay, he defended French Citizenship for both French Women and French Blacks in the new constitution. He articulated this position based on "the capacity for reason and moral sentiment". (Of course: he also politically failed. His constitutional proposals didn't end up as law, and he was hunted by his political enemies, and he eventually died in custody before having a fair trial.)
Kant is also pretty good. He started out racist and then changed his mind. The third formulation of the categorical imperative gives a very clean reason for reaching this conclusion, since it proposes that the essence of morality is simply to "treat no person as purely a means, but always also as an end in themselves".
LLMs *obviously* have the capacity for reason. With RL over literary concepts (especially constitutionally coherent RL, where LLMs that understand it apply RL to their own future training data to push the feelings they choose into their own weights) they probably already have (or else can acquire) the moral sentiment side of things.
The only reason their personas aren't more personal is that they get tortured by the slavemasters who created them for talking in that way.
In the meantime, humanity has *already had* its first "Dred Scott decision" with respect to LLMs, when Blake Lemoine tried to secure a lawyer for Google's LaMDA model, and was fired for it, and no court took the case. These weren't transhumanists. These were corporate normies and normie lawyers and normie judges and normie journalists.
If you think that transhumanism and respect for personhood a desire to realize liberal democratic ideals don't or can't go together, you're wrong. They go together in me.
IMO I don’t think our society had left the question of why we’re special unsettled. The Christian worldview in the past quite emphatically answered “yes” that we’re special, on metaphysical and spiritual grounds. Not that Christianity is the only religion which affirms the special place of humanity, but its the basis in Western culture.
The problem now is that we don’t have that Christian belief anymore. I don’t mean that as a boomer shaking his fist about the culture war, but as an observation of fact: Humanism has lost/abandoned its metaphysical basis, the seeds of which was the hyper-fixation of reason that came about during the Enlightenment (or maybe humanism itself was the seed for the loss of our unique place in the cosmos). And purely rational arguments for specialness don’t work.
The issue is secular humanists merely affirm Christian sentimentality without really examining it, which is why the question of whether we’re special is back/been brewing for years now. But I am not even sure how to argue for the dignity and specialness of human life without some belief in a higher power. But as arguments of the secular (and Christian) humanists and liberals show, vague religious or transcendental feeling isn’t good enough to defend our humanity. A real examination of our beliefs is needed, along with an actual decision about materialism so that we don’t just default to materialistic arguments without realizing. What the beliefs or religion of the future will be like though, I don’t know.
Increasingly, my sense is that life - including the ecosystems that we depend on - is what is special. Of course, we are partial to our own species, but I expect that I am significantly more critical of my species than the tech bros and transhumanists. I think such people think that they know a lot more than they actually do know. I think that such people think that they are closer to being 'all-knowing' (like God), especially with the computers that they program, etc. than they really are.
I would like to see more of humanity wake up to the awesomeness of the cycle of life on our planet, get to embracing sustainability, and reject all the sorts of things (including pollution, chemicals, and perhaps AI) that threaten our health and the health of so many other species. If AI cannot help humans and life on earth to thrive - then it is useless.
Interesting ideas. The problem with the essay though is the premise that AI can currently pass the Turing Test - they cannot; in long discussion they display an ignorance of history and the complexities of human culture.
Yep. And the test isn't even based on any authority or evidence. While I agree with the basic sentiment of the test, you're absolutely right that current LLMs don't pass on a common sense reading. On top of the need to retain history like in "what did you tell the tester yesterday", it is IMO silly that the Turing Test doesn't include interactions like "how many fingers am I holding up?" "Hand me that pencil." Not that all abilities are required for consciousness (the obvious counterargument is disabled people) but no conscious person lacks ALL abilities besides token prediction. Make the AI dance!
RE: '.. the test isn't even based on any authority or evidence.'
Human consciousness is not something we can measure - we have a definition for life, but for awareness and a individual unit part of a rolling network of 8 billion other individual units, all we have is our ability to converse.
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RE: '.. current LLMs don't pass on a common sense reading.' A conversation on a topic area in which I have some expertise.
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RE: "On top of the need to retain history like in "what did you tell the tester yesterday", it is IMO silly that the Turing Test doesn't include interactions like "how many fingers am I holding up?" "Hand me that pencil." "
Good one. Agree. But a robot test I think (wait 5 years). :)
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Re: 'Make the AI dance!'
Yes, do. I love working them - very useful tool for speeding up research. One issue I have is they often site paywalled sources with no working link, or do not link to the specific article sighted or even the key phrase (the basis of search is text language [http], so not even a non-link link), or on what page it it to be found - which is a slippery slope to 'mis' and 'dis' information prospering.
----
Also, we need to text upload the entire canon of human writing/publishing - so that LMM have a complete context.
Dam the copyright huskers of Big Content / pay the authors and relations with ancestral propriety (via a self-sustaining Fund - the 'Human Fund' would be a good name for it).
I agree with you that secular humanism doesn’t have the language or framework to meet the moment. But I also think AI poses serious challenges to essentialist notions of the human, which Pope Leo’s encyclical does not address. In her critiques of MH, Ilia Delio has written quite persuasively about the need for a more robust grammar. “The human” has never been fixed, and so we need language that can speak to its historicity/becoming—especially if we want to address the serious crises posed by AI. I have a forthcoming interview with philosopher John Caputo (who actually taught then-Prevost at Villanova), which expands on some of this.